171: Hunted - The Butcher Baker Part 03

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, listener.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take a seat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next to the fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the brisk fall morning of October, twenty-seven, nineteen eighty-three, Alaska State Troopers pulled up to Robert Hansen's bakery, but they weren't there for donuts, as they had been so many mornings before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Robert arrived, they politely requested that he accompanied them down to the station, and he agreed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Part of the FBI's recommendations in helping to elicit a confession from Robert was to adorn the police interrogation room, Moldo Wall, with maps, as well as photos of the crime scenes, victims and missing women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert was left in the room alone for a time, confronted with the visual evidence against him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: During his five hour interview, Robert was open with police about how his unhappy childhood and strict father had caused some anger management issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He answered questions about his criminal record and admitted to using the services of exotic dancers and sex workers in the early nineteen seventies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also used the opportunity to tell investigators that he didn't appreciate being charged more by a sex worker than originally agreed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he denied harming any of the women with whom he ever came into contact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With the interview underway, Troopers simultaneously descended upon Robert's home, Bakery, and the airport to execute the various search warrants, including searches of the SuperCub, and Robert's vehicles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing of significance was found at the Bakery, so officers converge at the hands and home to assist in the video taped search.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Behind the headboard of Robert's bed, officers located in an aerial map depicting Anchorage, the Kinek River Valley, and surrounding districts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the map, we're twenty-four crosses marked as an X. All within a hundred mile radius of the city.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A search of a concealed space in the attic revealed thirty firearms hidden under ceiling insulation, including a twenty-two caliber Remington-five fifty-two rifle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At Thompson, consider seven-millimeter single-shop pistol.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Winchester, twelve-gauge shotgun, and a two twenty-three-ruger mini- fourteen rifle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two of these guns were similar to the ones used to kill Sherry Maro and Paula Goulding, and threatened Cindy Palson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And gun sees from the garage included a browning twenty-two semi-automatic, the coal match twenty-two, and a coal python three fifty-seven caliber revolver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also uncovered in the search find would banaling in the den or Sherry Maro's necklace, and jewelry belonging to other victims and missing women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A gold custom-made fish necklace found among the Memento's and Robert's attic was identified as belonging to Andrea Altieri.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of her most valued possessions, and there was no way Andrea would have parted with it willingly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was also discovered that the hunting trophies Robert had earlier reported as stolen or actually in his backyard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bessigators also recovered numerous stolen items including a chain saw, a ten horse flower outboard motor, portable radio, telescope, vinyl airplane seat, crane generator, and a push-long mower.

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[SPEAKER_01]: From the storage compartment behind the pilot seat of the super cub, police found a cold semi-auto, twenty-two caliber pistol.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The news was sent through to the interrogation where Morabra was still being questioned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He claimed that his wife had later found his stolen hunting trophies in the backyard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he had just forgotten to tell the insurance company, but as far as anything else was concerned, he wouldn't much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert asked to consult with his attorney in the interview ended.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the Hansen residence, neighbor approached police, out front of the property, to see what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When she was informed that Robert's home was being searched and connection with the disappearance and attacks on women in the Inquiry area, the neighbor dropped a bomb show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She told police that Robert had asked her husband to provide a false alibi for the night Cindy Pulse and was abducted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her husband had assumed that Robert was being pursued over a minor matter, and in an effort to protect his friend, he agreed to cover for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert's friend contacted police to retract his statement, and both friends were brought in for questioning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Both men admitted that they hadn't been with Robert on the night Cindy was abducted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While confession from Robert hadn't yet been forthcoming, police arrested him in early November for the kidnapping rape of seventeen-year-old Cindy Palson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In addition to misconduct in possession of a handgun, theft in the second degree, and theft by deception in insurance fraud, Robert pled not guilty to all charges and was taken to custody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with fail set at five hundred thousand dollars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The evidence gathered during the search of Robert's residence meanwhile, implicated him in the murder of eleven women, was strong enough to convict him on four counts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But investigators handed by their time, as the ballistic test results on Robert's Ruger Mini-Fourteen rifle were yet to come back from the FBI crime lab in Washington, D.C., where it had been sent an early November.

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[SPEAKER_01]: State Troopers Sergeant Flothe had one of the rifle hand delivered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But instead, it was sent by mail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Sergeant Fothe received a call from the FBI, wondering where the rifle was, because I had it arrived.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He went to a panic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The piece of physical evidence that was crucial to convicting Robert Hanson had gone missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But thankfully, the rifle showed up in a loading dock in Chicago of all places.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the test results came back in late November, the shell caseings found that the grave sites were all found to have been fired from Roberts' rifle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The firing pin in the extractor markings were identical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Being able to conclusively link the murder weapon for Sherry Maro and Paula Goulding to Robert Hansen was the breakthrough law enforcement had been hoping for, but they needed more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Up until now, the aerial map recovered from behind Robert's bedhead had been given much consideration based on the reasonable assumption that Robert had simply documented the locations of his kills to record his hunting prowess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But one day, in December while working through the reams of material on the case,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sergeant Flothi came to a horrifying realization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The twenty-four crosses on the map, Mark Location's along the Connecticut River, Kenai Peninsula, Seward Bay, and Resurrection Bay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Four of the crosses corresponded to the exact locations where the bodies of Eclutina Annie, Joanna Messina, Cherry Maro, in Paula Goulding had been recovered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The crosses didn't record where Robert had killed animals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was where he'd killed women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Cindy Paulson had returned to sex work in Anchorage at the Gentleman's Retrieve Massage Parlor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In January, in nineteen eighty four, she was served with a subpoena regarding Robert's trial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But by February, she had disappeared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ABD feared she'd fled back to Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt terrified of the repercussions from the man who she was certain was out to kill her, or the police who she felt just wanted to discredit and humiliate her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, Cindy was still in Anchorage and living in the government hell area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was working for a new PIMP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When she suddenly reappeared in contact with police fearing for her safety, law enforcement swooped in and arranged for her to be taken to a safe house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Police had contacted Sandra Patterson, who had been abducted and raped by Robert Hansen back in nineteen seventy-one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sandra was no longer a sex worker, having graduated college and gone married.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had every reason to want to stay as far away from her past as possible, but she promised to testify.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, in mid-February, in nineteen eighty-three, police got another break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert Hansen's defense attorney contacted police, advising that his client wanted to talk to them to clear the decks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roberts attorney arranged a meeting with the Anchorage District Attorney Office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: During which Robert was offered a deal in exchange for a full confession, Robert would be charged with only four of the murder cases that investigators could prove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd be able to serve his time in a federal facility instead of a maximum security prison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In this confession on February, twenty second, which lasted twelve hours over two days, Robert opened up by telling a system district attorney Frank Rothschild about how he first met Cindy Poulson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we start then with what will be freshest in time, which is the cases that are pending now and from what happened in June of last year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you tell us how that all came about?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You want me to sort of start when I first met in Sydney Falls in the first town or I don't remember the right seats, so what's going to have to be some of this big on and I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've been during the time when your wife and children were out of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My wife family and we were down in our program this year, folks and forth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've met her the first time of town.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The first time I've seen Tennessee Falls, which is about the block west.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a seventy-six station on the corner of Arizona.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, she was standing there and I was driving down the street and she weighed a bit of support and I pulled up there on top of her, and it was just usual to chat and ask her to answer her answer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was doing so for us and remember that lesson for the time to support.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had a child there when I was a little bit and made a agreement with her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to see her sometime.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know if she, I couldn't see her that night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, it was during the week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm growing up in my, they couldn't have started here one after the morning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she gave me a phone number there at four at one of the motels.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be timbre much enough, so I can't remember one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I called back to her the next day or something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm there to afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert again recounted what happened after he got Cindy into his car on June thirteen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We drove my home.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There we had a door.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We went down into my basement.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I do as I turn on to tell the acceptance of where we set during cost level a while.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We had to, oh, I am set there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am found, found a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We are set during discussion at the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't discuss much, really, just talk to Vincent Chichetman.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, you can say that it's not she had to get back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you want to go to bed and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to stay down here in the basement.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I told that I would like to do it a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to have six words there on the large, very rugged way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have there, and I love her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just normal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're looking ahead there on the Nona floor, so forth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would like to throw a possible turn off her into, like while I was having sex with her, if I could put a pair of handcuffs on her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she said, no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she didn't care to have that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She says she didn't want to go on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, at that time, I thought that I was going to put the handcuff on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to have sex with her on the bare road.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She said she didn't object to where we had sex with her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But not the handcuffs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that time, I guess, I showed a firearm toward it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted her to put the handcuffs on and that she had it for a month.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That first time, she stated that I forced her in up at the car and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The first time there was any of four shoes and so forth was in my home.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just true that they're moving towards my home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When investigators confronted Robert Hansen with the aerial map, Edward with crosses, they questioned him about the precise number of victims.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Assistant DA Frank's Rothschild saw for the first time how the friendly local business man everyone knew could transform into someone who terrorized women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert's neck turned red, and his demeanor changed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was livid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He asked for a break to console with his lawyers, but could be heard screaming at them from behind the closed door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert eventually agreed to plead guilty and confessed to the murders of Sherry Maro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Joanna Missina, Eclutina Annie, in Paula Colding, on a condition that his family be left alone, that there be no publicity about his arrest, that upon conviction he may imprison outside Alaska.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He claimed that the women he'd killed were linked to criminal gangs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you remained in the state, he'd be murdered in prison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As part of his plea deal, Robert would also agree to reveal to the state police where more of his victim's bodies were buried.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert went on to matter a faculty confessed to raping more than thirty women during his time in Anchorage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He claimed he'd released the ones who had submitted to his demands and assured him they wouldn't report him to the police.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He told police that he befriended women by telling them he was from out of town, and offered to pay to conduct photo shoots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He arranged to meet up with them at fast food restaurants or cafes, where they did company him to his car to another location.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What the women didn't know was that one half of a handcuff was already fast into the passenger seat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once his own suspecting prey was in the car, Robert would reach over and grab his gun while fasting the other cuff to his victim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would then drive the women to his home or a motel where he would rape in torture them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Following the horrific sexual assault, Robert hotel is victims, he was taking them to his cabin, which in reality was a shack in the Kniak River area of the Maddenewska Valley, accessible only by boat or poached plain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert had barrels scattered in various locations throughout the mountains filled with supplies such as rope, ammunition, guns, duct tape, and shovels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He blindfolded his victims and drove or flew them out to the wilderness on the outskirts of town.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they resisted, he forced them to strip a gunpoint, let them go, and then hunted them down with a firearm, like wild animals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The victims were usually given a head start, and an terrifying psychological twist, Robert often allowed a victim to think she had escaped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only for him to pursue her again, and claim that redressing his victims after he'd murdered them, satisfied his need for control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Investigators soon discovered why it had been so difficult to monitor Robert's find activity following the discovery of Sherry Maro's body in nineteen eighty two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert had been flying without a pilot's license.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In order to avoid detection, he painted the ID number of his plane and small letters, so they were impossible to detect from a distance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also frequently provided a different ID number to the control tower at Merrill Airfield, when taking off and landing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was as if the flights never occurred.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert admitted to abducting and murdering a Kloot and a Annie in November of the year, in November of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But denied raping her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He believed she came to Anchorage from the Kodiak area, and that she worked at the Good Times bar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Robert abducted an Annie, he drove her out of town to the Glen Highway, but when she tried to escape, he threatened her with a gun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert's truck then became bogged, so he any used the opportunity to run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert chased her down, including a road, and stabbed her to death in the back with a hunting knife she had in her purse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert then told police that in May, late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late late

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[SPEAKER_01]: He claimed he was violently sick after the killing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert revealed that after raping and torturing Paula Goulding in April, in his cabin outside Anchorage, he opened the front door and mutter on a way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After a few moments he took off after with his rifle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He became animated when he talked about how Paula had cut her feet running across some sharp rocks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She tried to ride under some nearby bush.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when Robert saw her and called out, she jumped up and ran over open ground, unknowingly giving her a attacker a clear shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A fall as murder Robert said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert explained that he was able to abduct, rape, and murder women, and remain undetected by sending his family away on extended summer vacations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tether his wife's family in Arkansas, or to Europe, which he came to call his summer plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Four weeks before his wife and children left their European summer vacation in nineteen eighty-three, Robert placed an ad in the singles column of the Anchorage Daily News, which read,

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[SPEAKER_01]: adventurous mail, forty-two, five foot eleven, one hundred and sixty-five pounds, looking for a lady proud to be a woman, to share a sincere, honest attachment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Must like to dance and enjoy social life, willing to put on jeans, join me in finding what's around the next bend, over the next hill, enjoy flying on-plane, beach-coming, fishing, camping, life is much cooler if shared, send recent photo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert soon received a response on June eighth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Five days before he abducted Cindy Paulson, the woman who responded to the ad visited his house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert's shoulder is hunting trophies in the den, and told her he wanted to have sex with her on the bare rug.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The woman turned him down, given it was a first state.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In a close call for Robert, the woman turned out to work for the Alaska State Troopers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: During his confession, Robert was asked about taking a woman to McEugh Creek in nineteen seventy-one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Listener, as you were called for part one, this was the location where Beth Van Zayn's body was discovered on Christmas day of that year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As written about by author Leland Hale and an article for pop culture website, The Line Up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, just over twelve years later, Robert boarded out Beth's name during his confession, but quickly denied any responsibility or knowledge of the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond being charged for abducting Sandra Patterson a few days before Beth's disappearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But an ex-mark phone on the aerial map recovered from his house, corresponded with a location where Beth's body was found.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Contracting Roberts Denial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert demonstrated a detailed knowledge of the sword area where Megan Emerick was last seen in July, nineteen seventy-three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mary Phil was last seen in July, nineteen seventy-five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert admitted to meeting Megan on the sewer ducts the weekend she disappeared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stating he tried to lure her onto his boat, but he denied abducting and murdering either Megan or Mary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert went on to say that following the police questioning over his attack on Christie A's in height of the day, he never used his camper again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead relying on his car and playing to transport victims, he also learned that people were less likely to notice or afford exotic dancers and sex workers as missing, and that they were harder to track down due to the transient nature of their employment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the time of Megan Emerick's disappearance, she was described as having long brown hair and hazel eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was reported to be five foot four inches tall, hand-weight, one hundred and twenty pounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was last seen wearing blue jeans, a white long sleeve checkered suit, a brown short sleeve sweatshirt, and swayed ski boots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the time of Mary Thill's disappearance, she was described as having Auburn or Red Hair in blue eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was reported to be five foot five inches tall and weighed one hundred and thirty pounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was last seen wearing an army jacket and gray pool over sweater, blue jeans, leather hiking boots, and was carrying a small backpack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To regularly wore glasses with round pink frames and thick lenses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert Hanson confessed to abducting, raping, and murdering Roxanne Eastland, a sex worker who disappeared from Anchorage and laid June, nineteen eighty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was never seen again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the time of her disappearance, Roxanne was described as having brown hair and brown eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was reported to be five foot three inches tall, and weighed ninety to one hundred and five pounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was last seen wearing a short brown leather coat with a fur collar, pants or blue jeans, and black high-heeled boots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roxane may have been carrying a purse, and was sometimes known to wear wire-framed glasses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She also had a birthmark on top of her shoulder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a birthmark on the top of a right thigh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert also confessed to abducting, raping, and murdering Andreye Altieri.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sex worker disappeared from Anchorage in early December, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the early disembark, in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the pair got out of the car near the Connect River Bridge, Robert told her that he had raped a woman at the same spot a week prior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Andrea attempted to grab Robert's pistol and poked her fingers in his eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's shot her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert partially confirmed during his confession that Andrea's body was weighted down with a gravel-filled airplane bag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It had been thrown into the river from an overhead railroad bridge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the time of her disappearance, Andrea was described as having brown hair and brown eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was reported to be five foot five inches tall and weighed one hundred and twenty pounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was last seen wearing black leather jacket, red sweater, blue jeans, brown cowboy boots, a gold colored ring set with a pearl, a gold colored ring set with two pearls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: An antique wedding band with a rose set top, and the custom-made fish necklace discussed earlier that was found in Robert's attic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The necklace was a gold chain with a small sterling silver pende, and the shape of a salmon, with a diamond setting for the eye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Andrea may have been carrying a black-sippered purse, and a small four-prime makeup bag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Despite Andrea's mother providing Andrea's dental records to assist with any identification, Andrea still listed as a missing person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert admitted to blindfolding in handcuffing Sherry Maro, a moment she got in his car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He drove off and during the trip he forced her to kneel on the floor of the vehicle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When they arrived at the Connecticut River, Robert took a Ruger Mini-Fourteen out and shot Sherry, who had fallen screamed for her life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: During Robert's confession, he admitted that Dale and Frey, who disappeared in April, in a April, in the United States, was not buried, but had been left on the ground near his cabin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert admitted to taking Frey up in his plane, and the State Medical Examiner's office later confirmed that her body was found near a different location in August, in the United States, in the United States, by a pilot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Despite the background rubber provided, he never showed any sign of remorse for any of his crimes, saying,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted them to like me so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On top of the things that have happened, I'm not saying that I hate all women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Quite to the contrary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess in my own mind, what I'm classifying is a good woman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a sex worker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do everything in my power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, shape or form.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To do anything for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To see that no harm ever came to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess sex workers are women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm putting down as lower than myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm making sense or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew what I did was totally, totally wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I wanted to control things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe feel masculine or powerful, or in control of my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Including Beth Van Sanden, Robert's confession brought the total number of his known murder victims to Seventeen, although they are suspected to be more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sandra Patterson, who was abducted and raped by Robert in nineteen seventy-one, spoke of a reaction when she was informed that Robert had confessed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She would no longer be required to testify.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I proceeded to fall apart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I started crying, and I couldn't stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no control over it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It controlled me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see each and every one of those women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How they died, probably hunted down like dogs, wounded it, and then hunted more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Part eight, the last frontier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the sentencing on February, twenty-seven, Assistant DA Frank Rothschild told the court that Robert Hansen wanted to control women on his own terms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In Robert's words, I was just seeing everybody else get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then it's my turn to have fun now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the prosecutions closing statement to the court, Rothschild went on to say, you're on her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before you sits a monster, an extreme aberration of a human being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a compulsive liar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gives us one he knows he had to give us, and no more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For those people that he has slain, for those lucky enough to have survived, for all of us, you're on her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We ask that you rid us of this beastly man forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This man who loves the outdoors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never going to smell the freshness of a mountain meadow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll never hear water trickle again down a creek.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll never thrill and sing our great wilderness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And our wild animals that roam there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He truly hates being locked up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's better that we lock him up and make him live with this for each breath that he takes for the rest of his life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert Hansen shows not to address the court at his sentencing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before handing down the sentence, Judge Ralph Moody directed the following comments to the court and Robert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to believe that humanity produces and sustains people who have the ability and propensity to commit such enormous, such beastly, such indescribable crimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What we have seen here today, what the defendant has admitted to in many respects, is a condemnation of society as a whole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The court system has failed, knowing that he was a problem, probation officers, police officers,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Members of society themselves who could not come forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of a bigger indictment of society than this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In these cases, he took people who could least protect themselves, people from the standpoint of lower society.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope when we leave this courtroom today that I have to the best of my ability provided this man shall never walk the streets of America or any other place as a free man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sir, I have to consider you the worst offender, and all respects, and all these charges against you."

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[SPEAKER_01]: In within, Robert Hansen was convicted and sentenced to four hundred and sixty-one years plus life, with no chance of parole, and was remanded to the Louisburg Federal Penitentiary in Pennsylvania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even after the sentencing, Robert's wife continued to find jewelry in their home that didn't belong to her, and she passed this onto the police.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although Robert had identified further grave sites on the map during his earlier confession, and most of the snow cover had melted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ground near the Kinnick River was still frozen eight to ten inches down, meaning authorities would have to wait until late April when the ground had thawed to commence a physical search.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the time came, Robert accompanied law enforcement via helicopter to the Oscirts of Anchorage, leading them to locations corresponding with the exes on his map where he buried more of his victims.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not all locations on the map were canvas, and remains at some locations failed to be recovered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As it was determined that some shallow graves had most likely been disturbed by bears and other wild animals scavenging for food.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The two weeks searched for April, twenty-fifth, the main ninth successfully located the remains of seven more of Robert's victims.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These were lice of futral, found south of the old Canig Bridge, Malaylarson, found near the parking area near the old Canig Bridge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Soluna, found east of the Canig River, to Marapiderson, found one-point-five miles from the old Canig Bridge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Angela Federn found a figurate lake and Theresa Watson found it the Canine Peninsula.

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[SPEAKER_01]: During this search, Robert also led police to an unidentified victim found a horseshoe lake who investigators dubbed horseshoe Harriet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The victim was lying face down and dressed in a wool scarf and he did coat and sweater, blue jeans, wool socks, leg warmers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: nylon bra and tennis shoes, cigarettes, condoms, a compact, comb, and four gold rings were found with the body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The victim had been stabbed and shot, and would have been five foot two inches to five foot six inches tall, when she was alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although rubber had previously confessed to the murders of both Roxanne and Eastland and Andrea Teary, their bodies have never been found, though some have speculated that the body of horseshoe Harriet is possibly that of Andrea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Listener.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You may be wondering what happened to Cindy Pulse and by the time Robert was sentenced, Cindy had returned to sex work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, she later moved away from Alaska, married, and had three children.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In nineteen eighty eight forty nine-year-old Robert Hanson was returned to Alaska and incarcerated at Spring Creek Correctional Center in Seward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Contrary to his condition of not being imprisoned in Alaska, this was proof that Robert didn't always get what he asked for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert's wife knew nothing of her husband's double life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let alone the terror he inflicted upon the women of Anchorage over at least twelve years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She and her children continue to visit Robert and prison for a long time following sentencing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in the end, the humiliation and whispers around Anchorage proved too much to bear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the family relocated to Arkansas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Despite being deeply religious and doing her best as a wife to provide moral support to her husband, Robert's wife divorced him in

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Pope and Young Club initially stated that Robert's crimes were non-validate his bow-hunting records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, they later made the decision to remove his name from the record's books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In November, nineteen ninety-one, Tamara Peterson said father appeared on television, expressing his anger and frustration with the APD and their investigation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tamara's body was recovered following Robert Hanson's sentencing, and the autopsy showed that she had been shot twice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, like other victims, she could only be identified through dental records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Given the incidents that had already been reported by the time Tamara disappeared in nineteen eighty-two, in Robert's history of violence against women, had been taken in prior to the early nineteen eighties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Many more lives may have been spared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The mother of another victim

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[SPEAKER_01]: Angela Fettern, whose body was also identified following sentencing, was angry about Robert's plea bargain, saying of the victims.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The body of Dylan Frey was later found in August, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States, in the United States,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Being so young, Joseph had difficult to remember in what she looked like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dylan's father was not informed of his daughter's death prior to his own passing in the early nineteen nineties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In June, two thousand eighteen, Dylan's cousin Deborah remembered her by saying,

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was never a happy child and ever smiled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had the most beautiful eyes, but was always sad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her mother never informed anyone in our family this happened to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was probably closer to her than anyone in our family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was just a horrible tragedy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My heart cries for her often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there isn't a day that I don't think about her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The investigation and subsequent conviction of Robert Hansen prompted the Alaska State Troopers to develop specific protocols to respond to sexual assault cases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Alaska now has a dedicated crime lab for processing forensic evidence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sadly, in two thousand nineteen, the rate of reported rape in Alaska continues to be two point five times in national average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In a state with a current population of only seven hundred and thirty five thousand people, Alaska consistently tops national figures when it comes to the rate of violence committed against women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With fifty-nine percent of women in the state experiencing sexual violence at the hands of their intimate partner, or by a stranger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are now more safe houses around the state for survivors of violence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the lack of access to women's shelters and rural areas continues to be an ongoing issue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one that distinctly disadvantaged is native to the last can women and children.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Anchorage-based advocacy agency standing together against RAV recently found that thirty percent of a Laskans were unable to access victim services due to the lack of availability of these in their local areas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gun violence on the whole continues to be problematic in Alaska, with more guns for capital than in any other state in the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to recovering the potential victims of Robert Hansen, anyone with any information about the following women, who are still listed as missing persons, is asked to contact the following law enforcement agencies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For any information about eighteen-year-old Beth Fancy and a women missing on December, twenty-second, nineteen-seventy-one, whose body was discovered three days later on Christmas Day that year, please contact the Anchorage Police Department.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For any information about seventeen-year-old Megan Emerick, a win-missing on July, seven, nineteen, seventy-three, and twenty-two-year-old Mary Phil, who disappeared on July fifth, nineteen, seventy-five, please contact the Sword Police Department.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For any information about twenty-four-year-old Roxie and Eastland, who was last seen on July second, nineteen eighty, and twenty-four-year-old Andrea Altieri, who disappeared on December second, nineteen eighty-one, please contact the Alaska State Troopers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In two thousand fourteen, authorities exhumed the body of the previously unidentified victim, known as Horseshu Harriet, with a renewed hope of using DNA testing and facial reconstruction to determine her identity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, this remains unconfirmed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The body of Ecclutina Annie remains unidentified, but authorities have sought assistance regarding her identity using facial reconstruction technology.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone with information asked who her identity has asked to contact the APD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In a post script to our story, in May, two thousand fourteen, Robert Hansen was moved to the Anchorage Correctional Center, to receive medical attention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Three months later, on August twenty first, he died at the age of seventy-five at Alaska Regional Hospital when Anchorage stood on disclose long-term health conditions, though an article at the time suggests that the cause of death was heart failure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the day of Robert's death, State Trooper Sergeant Glenn Flothi, one of several investigators who worked tirelessly to bring Robert to justice, said, On this day, we should only remember his many victims, and all of their families.