133: Vanished Into the Vortex: The Valentich Encounter

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talkin' back, guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're back on the water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I've already pushed the button, can I?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You really know how to push, char, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know I. I pushed it often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you see me petting something in my lap, it's where it'd be again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's been really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you guys have any fun plans this weekend?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I do, tomorrow I'm going to France Park in Logan's port.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My best friend and her husband and my god's son are coming up from by where Kim lives and it's like a two-hour drive from there and we're going to have a lovely beach day, a little hike, a little beach, little slushies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went there a few weeks ago, maybe a couple months ago.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That water's so pretty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there was a cool coffee shop that we went to in the hospital.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what's the net?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Logan's port called France Park.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was an old quarry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The water is it's filtered through the limestone quarry, but it's also fed from a natural spring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like crystal clear blue water unless it's been raining a whole bunch into the little murky, but it's like, it looks like tropical water in the middle of a park.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That one place where close down to where you used to live in Muncie, that I think there's a big building there now and there's a pond just right down the road.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember what it's spring something is what it is spring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't hear him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to cross the street from our old house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it a park?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, his house would be before he moved up here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just right down the road from it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's between you and we're Brittany lives.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were dirt bags and stuff in their yard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, were that ponds that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That used to be a really, really clear ponds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They used to have a beach and stuff down there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went down there and swim several times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very, very nice pond to swim in.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they have swans in and out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what's in it now, but I'm assuming it must have been closed down before you guys were holding up the ring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there was never any.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We would have went swim and we were so bored in the summer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there was something springs is what they called it, but I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Our grandma might have known because she lived in that neighborhood when she first, like right before she got married the second time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When she had little little baby kids, little baby kids.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I don't really see if I can.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Her sister lived on the other side of Wightly and back then, Wightly was not safe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so grandma would walk to the highway and then once she passed the highway, she would run until she got to her sister's house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She just wouldn't stop running as fast as she could.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So she got to her sister's house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's Wightly, apparently, was dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_04]: up the far way to run grandma used to be a big runner show me a she's a bean pole as they remember that she only a few times because you know she was our grandma older so she didn't run a lot I remember that first time she ran we're at the camp ground in the front of the camper we had a low yard there and

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[SPEAKER_03]: We were picking on her and we were like, you can't go catch us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, oh, you want a bag?

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[SPEAKER_04]: She just took a, we had never seen anybody run that fast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we just stopped us to our screaming like a prey getting attacked by her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We were like, hey, it's so fast.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know he was crossing the fast.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What's that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's behind that church.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a, is that a church Christian center?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a part of that park that used to be there when we were spring water park.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it was spring water.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's where I'm talking about me and my friends used to walk back there and it was kind of spring or like we did.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We never did anything bad.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We just were like, what the hell's back here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it used to be a really nice place to I would have rather went there and swim and then go into the reservoir.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, now it's like a privately, someone bought it and they have a house back there because when we did live there, they remember they had a big Keaton Yeda, like just a huge, like it went on for, I feel like a week.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Every day there was just be loud music coming from that direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The field that opened field at behind that now church, I remember in the winter, the step that we had that year,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we went snowmobile and my his friends were ever snowmobile and Josh fell off of it and on ever forget like looking over to the field is a seeing him run after it because those things you know there's one pole in the middle of the field on a course the snowmobile it was straight

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, never forget that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's just a story to watch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I asked questions before I do something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure of like any sound of my in person would.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, I've never been on a machine of this caliber.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've never been on a snowmobile in my life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You think they would, hey, teenage kid, the throttle.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's very sensitive.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't, you know, I'm thinking, this is a straight man toy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I bet everything's gonna be, you know, hard to, you know, just, it takes a man to run it up, you know, so I get on it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They don't tell me, hang on through your f*** life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And to me, I barely turn and it'll fool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It takes off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I fly off the bat.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Calmly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's snowed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was not injured.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No pain.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was just like, oh, I'm like, whoop.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, what?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it happened so quick.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm in the snow sitting there and I'm like, then I realize I look up and I'm like, oh, it's, thank God we're in this open field.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It'll stop.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm like, there's a pole.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a pole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I swear on my camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's why I shouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, our stepdad was an asshole.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was a good mood.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, I ain't about to get bitched out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't even want to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, don't you want to get on it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, not really.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, this is for you guys.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing that I've never not drove was a jet ski.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would love to get on a jet ski.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there would be so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to watch you get on a jet ski.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they would be fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We used to do four well in all the time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I saw a little act for wheeling.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We went up to there's a place called Haspin Acres and it's very rocky and really muddy and mountainy and I really took to that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was, they were very surprised.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The straight people I was with, they were like, I can't believe, like, they showed me how to do it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you got to lean forward when you go up and lean back, however it was.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was going up, like, almost vertical in clouds.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I just told myself, I'm not falling, because that's going to hurt.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just not going to fall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't do anything daring, but I do love to write them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I went through a big old mud pedal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got a picture of it just coded.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you see, it's my white teeth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing my watch teeth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What teeth?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll find it so I'm posting on Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My papers are all messed up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where the world is.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, it's your mystery today.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It can go to read it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I should make her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe it's backwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to turn around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So guys, I have a couple of words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to share with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Word.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Word help us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they are some of those rare English words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this one is Newty Urstishon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Newty Urstishon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're going to go in for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Newty Urstishon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mean you're sitting in a sentence?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Please.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot to water the plants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New to your stand and now they're drooping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New to your stand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That can't be how it's pronounced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, maybe it's no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, D. Us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tursion.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Can I see it in a sentence?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about what I said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I've pronounced it right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else pronounce it wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think it means?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have never noticed or stood in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New to your stand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New to your stand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New to your stood or stood or stood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll sound like anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can see people yelling at us now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this word refers to the day before yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not yesterday of the day before yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: when it just be easier to start the day before yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because that's more than one word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were New Year's Day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like worst, it's just shy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was coined in the sixteen hundreds by English writer Nathaniel Ward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the word was created from Latin roots that would denote something very recent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it fell into obscurity almost immediately after it was created.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't used a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one really uses it now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never even heard of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You price to have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The next word is sin, sinite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sinite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But two ends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sinite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Usal incidents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's meet again in a sonite and discuss the results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next week or next night or is an old term meaning a week or seven nights?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was derived from old English.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but advantage from being in common use by the eight hundredths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's probably a new form.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been seeing a bunch of TikToks that have like where phrases have come from different phrases that we use.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to start looking to have a look at the roots.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So new to your shirt to tight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah Josh, could you just thought you could just let that look in the world off your lips?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well know it is Latin.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that would it is actually new to her state teonus.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that, well, I'm gay, so I know anytime a word is pronounced onus.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, what's that wrote?

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a canal street in our town and every single time I see that road sign, I laugh like Peter Griffin.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's that out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Kano Street.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's on Kano Street.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every day I go through work, I get stopped at a stoplight and I hear it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you at corner anal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on anal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on anal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on anal in chaos.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on anal

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a warning cry shouted before throwing waste out of a window.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, back when Victorian times that they'd throw their chamber pots out the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get ready, Lou.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was used in old Edinburgh, Scotland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The word came from a French phrase that translates to be where the water, but it became obsolete with the rise of indoor plumbing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if you heard it, you definitely knocked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You smelled it later.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, whatever you do, don't look up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the last word I brought is absquatulate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absquatulate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absquatulate.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I already put some sugar on that and go back inside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the sheriff showed up, the outlaw absquatulated into the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It means to leave suddenly or sneak away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a playful American invention from the eighteen thirties that mimicked Latin sounding words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gained popularity during the Wild West era, but soon fell out of fear after that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I like a good Irish goodbye.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's similar to that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're at a party or having fun.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, you just ran off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and you don't make any like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I prefer to do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It leaves you a mysterious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Where'd the go?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they in the bathroom?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it seemed like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, growing up, I would have been rude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't always go and think whoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that takes so long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's rude.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I used to do that, but it's kind of like crime.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Once you do it once, the more you do it, the better you get at it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And by now I'm like, oh, they'll get over it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'll think I'm next.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's why you think the next time you see him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I didn't see you at the party.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I had to get out of there, but I think that's true.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's always ways around everything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Social etiquette is important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What guys are you ready for my mystery today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes you're brain can trick you into seeing things that aren't really there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens when it's not a trick?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what happens when air traffic control hears it also?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, today we're flying into one of the most chilling and bizarre cases in aviation history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about the final moments of a pilot who calmly described his own UFO encounter right before he and his plane vanished forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While picture it gang, the sun is melting into the horizon over the vast straight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That notoriously moody stretch of water separating mainland Australia and Tasmania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Saturday, October, twenty first, nineteen seventy eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sky is perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's cloudless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's this, I mean, I think it's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a bleeding orange to deep and to go color up in the sky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The wind is light, the visibility endless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a dream evening for a flight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for twenty-year-old Frederick Valentich probably not, but Frederick V. Flying was the dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But first, let's get to know the man in the cockpit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's as much a part of this mystery as anything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fred wasn't just a casual pilot, he was obsessed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a member of the Royal Australian Air Force.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's specifically their air training core.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he volunteered for the local airport just because he wanted to be around planes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Aviation was his entire world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the problem was aviation didn't always seem to love him back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd applied to the RAAF twice and had been rejected both times for what they called inadequate educational qualifications.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was studying for his commercial pilot's license, but was struggling to put him mildly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He twice failed all five of the exams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just a month before this story, he'd failed three of them all over again.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, he had done me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, it would be a lot of pressure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a very visual learner, but not like a read a book and take a test.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the moment that you fail one of them, I feel like you're just going to be second guessing it all the way through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it would be difficult, too, because I mean, that was his dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He really wanted to do it, and it just was kept being out of grasp, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But on top of that, his judgment in the air, it was questionable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd been officially warned for flying into restricted air space and was reportedly facing prosecution, because twice he flew into the clouds, which is a huge no-no when you're a pilot with his rating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which only certified him, the rating would only allow him to fly at night and specifically clear visual conditions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the other layer to Frederick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His father, Guido, would later describe him as a firm believer in UFOs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a passing interest, Fred was a flying saucer enthusiast to say the least.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He collected articles and he genuinely feared being attacked by some more from another world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His girlfriend, Rhonda, recall that just six days before his flight, he had spoken about the possibility of being taken.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Honey, you can't even pass the test.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You think they can't come all the way from another one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you ever hear about people getting probed, I don't know, probing people with that, you know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So how do you survive this long with that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have this complex kid in the cockpit, passionate, but he was struggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a bit of a risk taker and he was a true believer in extraterrestrial visitors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the plane he was flying that night was a rented casino, one eighty two L. The registration was a Delta Sierra Juliette.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a reliable single engine workhouse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd filled the tanks, giving him about five hours of fuel for a round trip to King Island.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That should have been about, that should have only taken him about three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Three hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His official flight plan said he was flying to King Island to pick up some friends and he even took four life jackets to sell the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he told his family and his girlfriend he was going to get a load of crayfish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Neither story was real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were no friends and no crayfish waiting for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was getting a load of a little shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, he never even radioed the King Island Airport to have them turn all the runway lights for his landing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a flight to nowhere, for reasons he kept to himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As Seveno six PM with the last light fading, he keys his mic and calls the Melbourne Flight Service Unit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where it all begins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The voice on the other end is Steve, a calm professional flight service officer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The conversation that follows is one of the most chilling and aviation history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It starts simply enough with Fred asking if there's any known traffic below five thousand feet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Robby or Robby checks his radar in its empty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He tells Fred, there's no traffic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Fred says he sees something, and he's adamant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He reports what seems to be a large aircraft nearby that just passed within about a thousand feet from him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that's Roby or Roby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen someone's names about this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's ROB-EY.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roby?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roby?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roby?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or calm Roby?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that name, Roby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when Roby asked for a description, Fred couldn't give him one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just says it has four bright lights, like landing lights, but there's a hesitation in his voice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he adds a detail that sends a shiver down the other person's spine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He explains that the object is acting like it's playing some sort of game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's flying over him two or three times at speeds he just cannot identify.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not just seeing something, he feels like he's being toyed with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While the controller tries to make sense of it, he confirms Fred's altitude four and a half thousand feet and asks again if he can identify the craft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well Fred can only confirm that he cannot identify it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's a moment of pure strangeness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He starts to say that it's not an aircraft, but the line goes silent for two seconds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was he about to say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Robbie ever the professional asks him to describe it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fred's response is fragmented.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The words of a man whose brain is refusing to process what his eyes are seeing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He describes a long shape moving with incredible speed in its right in front of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he asks, how large the object is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where the encounter changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no longer a flyby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fred explains that the object seems to be stationary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then as he orbits,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He tries to get a better look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is orbiting in front of him as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He describes it as having a green light and a shiny metallic like exterior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for a pilot orbiting is a standard maneuver, but for that thing to be orbiting with him on top of him, that's not standard at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then there was a moment of relief, or maybe not, Fred reports that it just vanished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is relief, but it's also more terrifying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're able to watch it, and then I was sudden it's gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't over a few seconds later, Fred's voice is back on the radio, and the situation has escalated from strange to critical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He reports that his engine is rough idling and coughing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this is important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Aviation experts will tell you this is a classic symptom of a graveyard spiral.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what it's called.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, sound good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is when a disoriented pilot loses the horizon, they can bank the plane into a tightening, descending turn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the G forces will build up and it can disrupt the fuel flow and a gravity fed engine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was exactly the type of engine that he was flying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, it will cause you to sputter and cough, which was the sound that Fred was describing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've heard that movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Robbie asked him his intentions and Fred sounds stressed and confused, stammering and he says that he plans to go to King Island.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's flustered and then he delivers the final terrifying lines of the transmission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says, that strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hovering and it's not an aircraft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, following that last word, the microphone stays open for seventeen seconds, seventeen seconds of just a sound, and investigators who have analyzed the tape could only describe it as, quote, harsh metallic scraping noises, then complete and total silence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a very strong search that was launched after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The RAAF sent out a P-III Orion patrol plane in civilian crafts joined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For four days, they scoured over a thousand square miles of the best rate in found nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a drop of oil, not a seat cushion, not even a single scrap of wreckage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was as if the Delta Sierra Juliet and its pilot had just been plucked out of the sky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they weren't the only ones who saw something that night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After the story broke, Witnesses started coming forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A plumber in an amateur photographer named Roy, manifold, had been taking pictures of the sunset over the water about twenty minutes before Fred's encounter began.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't notice anything at the time, but we developed the film.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One photo showed a dark, blotchy shape in the sky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: moving fast out of the water with what looked like a vapor trail above it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Skeptics, of course, say it could be anything, a developing flaw in the film, and out of focus bug.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then there's Ken Hanson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was driving with his two nieces near Apollo Bay that night when he saw the lights of a small plane descending,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay Ruby?

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[SPEAKER_01]: At a steep angle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he saw something else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He saw a large circular green light that was in his words, writing on top of the plane, following it down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He watched them for about ninety seconds before they disappeared behind a hill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the kicker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hanson told his wife and co-workers about this the very next morning before the news reported that Fred had mentioned a green light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this brings us to the theories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First, a UFO encounter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what his family believes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fred was a believer, worried about his exact scenario, and his last words describe it perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ground witnesses, especially Hanson, seem to back that up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have the official explanation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pilot disorientation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The graveyard spiral.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does make a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was an inexperienced pilot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no horizon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dusk over water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the textbook set up for vertigo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would make the planets and bright stars visible that night appear to him to be orbiting him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would make his engine cough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The metallic scraping could be the sound of the plane's airframe breaking apart under the stress of the dive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But does that explain Ken Hansen seeing a green light riding the plane down?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Finally, there's the theory that he staged his own disappearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was failing in his career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He lied about his destination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was clearly going through something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this theory took a major hit five years later in nineteen eighty three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A piece of an engine

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[SPEAKER_01]: cowl flap, washed ashore on flindler's island.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The serial numbers on it fell within the range manufactured for this plane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the only piece of physical evidence ever found and it proves the plane did go into the water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not a staged disappearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what are we left with?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a young pilot predisposed to believe in UFOs flying into a situation perfect for disorientation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a radio call that perfectly describes the symptoms of a fatal graveyard spiral, but also perfectly describes a classic UFO encounter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In ground witnesses who saw something that backs up what the pilots recordings strongly suggest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can't forget the cultural context

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[SPEAKER_01]: Close encounters of the third kind had just been a massive blockbuster in Australia that year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some have suggested Fred just re-enacted a scene from the movie, but maybe in a moment a pure terror confusion came to him from a spiral disorientation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His mind latched onto the most compelling story at new to explain that chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The discovery of that flap proves the plane crashed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't explain why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it simple?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it a tragic accident overlaid with a fantastic story?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or did a young pilot who spent his life looking into the skies?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Finally have his own closing counter of the most fatal kind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys think about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys have a

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[SPEAKER_04]: What you thought?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I do think it's extremely fishy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just a nation and everything we're off for completely fabricated.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did bring my pendulum.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I said, I thought on cases like this, we can even say it for unmask.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We can ask pendulum.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like what was he abducted?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did he go into the water?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to remember to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your thought, Kim?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of wondering if maybe it was just an elaborate, you know, to disappear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I'm feeling.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even, I mean, if he had a parachute, he could have, you know, plopped out and the plane still would have went to the, yeah, they could have just still found the wreckage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for me, I, I could see like, I'm just looking to see what the evidence, like where does the evidence point me to?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what's more likely than not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: More likely than not where my mind goes is that maybe it was suicide?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the only part that I'm confused really about that flip set upside down is the eyewitnesses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it was only the guy who had the photo of the weird image of something that looks like it's coming out of the water, that maybe you could talk me into thinking, there's something wrong with the film.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you, I've seen the photo, when you look at the photo, I mean, I don't know that I would just be like, oh yeah, that's definitely a wrong, like a problem with the footage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that the other guy

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[SPEAKER_01]: talked about it before it ever hit the news that he mentions the light that was following the plane down and the fact that he called it a green light and that was before it was ever even reported right so I would he have made any of that up and if you have a plane coming down I don't know that you would have seen what he describes you know so I don't know

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was a suicide.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll find out on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know if it was me and if I was suicidal like that, I would want to do something that it would be done in over with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be in a death role.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, two for seconds and you're thinking about your death.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Your wife and kids, did you have kids or was it just his wife?

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're leaving your family, but at least leaving the plane to sell off for a little bit of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I don't know, maybe he had life insurance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I do see suicide, you know, he was failing at his dream of what he wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't tell anyone where he was going.

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[SPEAKER_04]: His destination and everything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what really I'm like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And he had a pre-existing hobby or obsession with UFOs and whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that just

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and maybe if you are going through something in a tarfory to get out, like how best, if that's in your mind, like you have a real strong foot, because that movie just came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it was a strong fascination for a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He probably knew that, well, one, if he had any type of life insurance or anything like that, then that would be okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, it kind of adds an layer of mystery to his disappearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're I mean, it worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about it right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I guess I can't see that would it could be more of that of the suicide.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not just because I know like I said for me, I would want to do it quickly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could have he could have shot himself or done something, you know, something to himself to off himself and then the rest of it kind of play out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, if you're in a plane and you crash it, it's not like it's gonna take you an hour to get to the ground.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about quick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you still have time to think about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You still have time to think about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you fly that sucker into the ground, you're going, that's gonna be quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess it's not as quick as, I mean, I feel like that goes by fast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of suicide, did you guys see any of the videos of

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[SPEAKER_04]: Ozzy Osborn's final performance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he recently, which I like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Ozzy Osborn chair and their kids.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was real big into Kelly growing up because she was in a I was the emo warp tour black.

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[SPEAKER_04]: hair, et cetera, type of teenager, but it was his final performance.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know we had Parkinson's disease.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I didn't even have to that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He and Sharon have a suicide pact, but it's the assisted suicide, like where you go to Sweden.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They have the pods and et cetera, like because her father died of Alzheimer's.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they both, you know, when they get to a point where their minds are no longer their own, that's what they wish.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But apparently he's getting closer and closer to that point, allegedly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But that just, I was like, I'm all in for favor of that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't understand why it's not legal everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I feel the gun should be an option.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But that just made me think of that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: just I enjoyed seeing it was sad seeing as final performances, you know, what a way to go not able to stand in the hometown where the other bandmates were from and I'm like, and they raised over a hundred and ninety million dollars for the Parkinson's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Research for whatever hospital that was for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see that they had that I knew it was all for charity, but I didn't hadn't heard a number.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Andy, have you heard of as basically his produce, as names young blood?

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the one basically, like he sang a lot of several of the songs at that company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the one that I seen a video of that he had, he had a cross necklace that he had duplicated for Aussie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And give it to him as a gift.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's basically Aussie to point out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He is he's a little skinny young guy but he's for her if I was twenty years younger Yeah, I hate that for Aussie

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a good career.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, you know, what a live well lit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He definitely lit the various.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, everybody's honestly surprised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny when he was really popular back in the eighties.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was not much of a fan of his because I wasn't a fan into that hard rock stuff, but as I got older, then I became more of a fan of his.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes I play some of his songs when he like a power pump up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my buddy, Chip Coffee, is good friends with his son-daughter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you, Mr. Moron, what's Kelly?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, his son was in Muncie for quite a while, when Shannon hour teenagers, he was in a short-lived series.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hard and famous.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even came to Muncie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even think there was five or six episodes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was a lot of season.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was Jack Osborn, who's like, Janet, was it Janet?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it wasn't Janet Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was because you'd be driving and you'd see him filming.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they all the episodes are on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I never seen it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I looked it up the other day and watched a few seconds.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh my god, this is such a long time ago.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I should be in the market and taste.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Latoya when she what cracked me up the most on that show is when she went to the little bit of grocery store and a little bit of town, you know, Albany.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was trying to get caviar there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know Muncie had prostitutes until that series came out because we were like maybe fourteen fifteen or so and like they were shot like those are the sex workers and I was like ladies and acid wash jeans from like the eighties just not looking very great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's where I first saw the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I had the first time I was here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was very careful.

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[SPEAKER_04]: try to spot on one of the episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think it's last year, the sun has a paranormal show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Chip was called into several of them and one of them was with Kelly and him and they did a whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've stayed in contact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of them they went on to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it Mary?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a big ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is it for Mary?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a really good series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I recommend that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I always been team Kelly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We always rooted for her, you know, growing up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You could just see similar.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She looked all, you know, we were.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Chubby and overweight and I was emo and Goth and etc.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, oh, and then, you know, you watch, she's a celebrity.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you get to watch her struggles and you're like, oh, please, you know, her Lindsay low hand cash.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I'm so glad that they have risen above their challenges.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So glad Lindsay's back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love cash as new music.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She got one and talked about eating man.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you guys ready for my shit far story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, gang for tonight's shit far story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're heading to upstate New York back in, twenty twenty.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not a name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a couple names Rick, Drummond, and Patrick Baker were renovating their old house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a home originally built by a notorious bootlegger from the prohibition era.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As Nick was removing some old rotting wood, this was trim along the floor of their mud room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He felt a strange package hidden behind it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, a glory hole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then that's what it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, shit far, it was a bundle of six bottles of nineteen twannies old smuggler, blended Scotch whiskey wrapped in straw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll ship far and save the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As they continued exploring, they found hidden compartments in the walls and beneath the floorboards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In total, they uncovered sixty-six bottles of that century old illegal bootleg booms.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could you imagine how much that would be worth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I read people real excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that's so cool that you would just find some really bad building.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'd be happy with newspaper clippons.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love, you know, when you do remodels or something, and you find old newspaper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, in houses.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I like looking at it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was watching something the other day, they were redoing a house or whatever, and they were planning things for the next people that don't, you know, that would remodel, and they were plastic hands.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the skeleton and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They put them all in the walls for stuff for people to find.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've been obsessed with watching that old TLC trading spaces, design on a dime.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And my God, arms-priced people were not murdered.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The shit they did to the neighbors, in siblings, like they would come in and just one of them, they were two lesbians.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And their neighbor came into their house to remodel for that show and left them with

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[SPEAKER_04]: Walls that were painted and then they mixed straw.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, they didn't fit with horses into like a plaster type stuff, but not enough to actually coat it, like just enough to make it to where they.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Enough to piss me off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The entire wall and ceiling covered.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they didn't straw.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was like with a pink flesh toned paint color.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And them lesbians will.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, they bring them in there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, okay, take the blindfold off and they're like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm just stunned.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I saw it on a clip and I was, what happened?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to see if they read did this room.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Surely they had to because I hated it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, apparently they sued the show because

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[SPEAKER_04]: What is straw, dried grass?

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[SPEAKER_04]: What does dried grass accumulate in moist environments such as homes that have moisture in them?

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[SPEAKER_04]: mold.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the entire thing they had like had the walls.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we got a problem.

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[SPEAKER_04]: After a few weeks, it was black mold.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's horrible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's horrible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They'll do just that crazy stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Way back in the day, they used to put sand in paint to make it rough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what my house has painted with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had nail polish like that before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, gang, what do you really think happened to Frederick?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, find out with my pension.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was he a victim of disorientation or did he really have a closing counter of the most fatal kind?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, tell us your theories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find us in our Facebook group called Shane and Josh's rabbit hole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're also on unmasked, which is on Patreon at patreon.com slash it's mystery ink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll find that link in the show notes, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have an entire library of all the episodes all completely add free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's on Patreon right now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: almost two hundred.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not well not to mention that we have almost two hundred also of our signature unmasked episodes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we're like four hundred.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we just went through all of our stuff to make sure that somebody had already done it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I started at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's over nine hundred almost a thousand posts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: From, you know, anything that we've posted on Patreon, there's almost a thousand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, as we've just talked about, there's all this stuff that you can find all on Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is the only way that you can ever get one of our mystery ink tumblers, which we just read did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're as fabulous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So go check it out patreon.com slash it's mystery ink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as always, shit far and save the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.