136: Vanished at Sea: Amy Bradley and the Mystery of a Cruise Ship Disappearance

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're welcome back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now one thing that I do not know for these new cameras.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the cams are not going to be any help because she doesn't know anything about cameras.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's trying to get at us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is I'm assuming that as long as the USB cord is parked into a power source.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the camera while it's recording,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be powered and not use the battery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Battery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll find out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would think, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I would think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll find out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If these die, then you'll probably only be listening to us and not watching us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But welcome to the industry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good to hear you all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Every time you say that, I want to sing welcome back hotter song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll probably don't have a clue what that is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking of that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's up, friend?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I've seen like commercials.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back, hotter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've only seen in commercials.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a hotel commercial or something new, hilton rewards.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where John Trump Volta got his start.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he was just annoyed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's Greece.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Think of Patrick's ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was saying we were singing dirty dancing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Same time same hairstyle, different actor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been watching all Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I found this documentary series that you guys just have to watch, because I want us to be able to talk about it, because then you people talk to me about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is called Amy is missing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I already did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I've seen a piece of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kim, you've seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not one of the lesbians.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm missing on the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In two thousand and

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[SPEAKER_00]: What year was that some ripples and gay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Netflix series just recently came out and I had a plane in the background when I was doing some work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You stopped working to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I watched it the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched it twice, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I watched it the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I'm watching through it, I just kept thinking, oh, she jumped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, she jumped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then by the time it gets finished, I was like, I must have missed something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just felt like the story was not complete or they didn't like they just missed something and I thought maybe I just got too busy with something and I like spaced an episode or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I watched it a second time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the second time I watched it I had a whole different theory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, okay, well, I watched it about five times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Have you watched it Josh?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I've seen twice recently is Kpop Demon Hunters, so we have very different tastes though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's your theory for the second time you watched it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, right now, my theory after watching it five times is really, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because to the issue I have with it, which is why I watched it a second time because I thought I missed something, it's like when you have a theory, you can only prove it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like by evidence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, this probably happened and this shows it because they did it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it just seemed like there's always something in the ripple that disproves it or makes me think, well, that may not have happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, at one point in time, let's just go through like the different theories and Josh, maybe you can help us because you've not watched it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, you're coming out of the fresh mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the issue really that I have with all theories

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[SPEAKER_00]: is this woman and her brother were sharing a room on the cruise ship with mom and dad in a one room you know what a night here I know and

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was at least in a balcony room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they had a balcony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this day on the cruise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Somewhere to go fart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Four people in one day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, cruise ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are small rooms.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're not real big.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the whole family, all four of them had gone to dinner and then they went to like this dance club, you know, like playing on the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and mom and dad come back eventually brother sister come back and mom dad went to bed brother sister hanging out on the the deck and they were out there for a while and the brothers you know telling about the conversation saying that you know they all had drank and so she had drank a lot and they were just out there chatting well he started getting really tired so he's like hey I'm gonna go ahead and go to bed and she's okay so he goes back in close

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[SPEAKER_00]: The door goes in, goes asleep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the next thing that happens in the timeline is I think it was like around five o'clock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dad wakes up and he said that when he went, no, no, I'm so sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit before that, not long before that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had woken up and he looked out and he saw her legs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like sitting on the like lounge chair on the deck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he thought, okay, she's still out there and goes back to sleep a little while later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's around five o'clock in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wakes up and he said that he wasn't exactly sure what woke him up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But something he felt like woke him up and he, like, comes to and he's looking around the room and he doesn't see her out on the balcony anymore, like her legs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he notices that the door to the balcony is partially open.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And her wallet was still left in the room and I feel like there was like a shirt or something that she had been wearing that was left like as you enter the room from the balcony like right there on the little stand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something of her clothing was and then he got up and worked out on the balcony and her shoes were still out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were right next to a table that had been pushed up against the

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[SPEAKER_00]: ledge the barrier, when getting one that's called a little gate thingy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he sees all this and he thought, oh, she must have gone to breakfast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, so he doesn't wake up the other two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, well, let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He thought that noise must have been the door closed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she must just like be right outside the room a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, oh, go meter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he throws shoes on and runs out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he gets down there and he doesn't see her and he's walking around trying to find her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And eventually he's like, if she left the room, this is where she would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no other reason where she would have gone anywhere else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he kept lurking around couldn't find her and he ends up coming back to the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He walks in and he taps his wife foot and he's like, hey, I can't find Amy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they wake up the brother and they all like talked about like who saw her last and they went around the ship trying to find her couldn't find her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they went to like the ship people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by that point in time, the ship was docking on a small island.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As it's docking, they're trying to ask the people in charge of the ship if they will prevent people from getting off the ship until they can find her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, don't let anyone off the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, make sure no one's like force on off the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they were asking them to not let people off the ship and like pull away from the dock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the captain refused that because they thought, you know, there's just so many people on the ship for a very reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to ruin it for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She could have hooked up with somebody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at that point, I would have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, they just didn't have any proof of foul play of any.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were like, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they did let people off the ship, but what they did was they asked all the employees to do a walkthrough of the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were supposed to do this search where they search all rooms, all closets, everything all over the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't take long because crews have so many employees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they did that and they didn't find any thanks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The captain ends up coming to their room to tell them, hey, we don't know where she's at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the ship, everyone on the ship, like that's working believed that well, she must have jumped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the issue with the jumping is like the water does have a lot of sharks in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, they weren't far from shore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the island is notorious in the fact that if you get lost at sea out there, like if you fall off a little boat or ship or whatever, the waves will push you back to shore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Out of the currents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it goes towards the shore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So where they were at, they weren't far when she could have fallen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't like freezing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, this is, you know, it's Caribbean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they just kept thinking like, oh, well, if she would have jumped or fallen or been pushed, like we she would wash up pretty quickly because she wasn't far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all the locals on the island are like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got sharks, but even with sharks, they don't eat your whole body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll have pieces of them come short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So nothing of her body has ever been found.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And no one knows what happened to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, to make the story a little more weird though, that little boyfriend, not a boyfriend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like, no, when they were in the party before they was bad, she had been dancing and, you know, flirting around, I guess, with one of the guys in the band.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the bass player, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And always the bass player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little creepy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was just so creepy and there's actually a video of that night and you'll see them like dancing around and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing about cruise ships, I know that Josh you've never been on one, is

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not selling them on me either with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, but like a gay person die in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's not uncommon that you just randomly are dancing with a random person if you're drinking in a group or entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that you have that eyes with any of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this was carnivore and I think that they didn't it was a carnivore as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it was carnivore, but they all places have that type of a role you're not supposed to use.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they didn't follow that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've looked into activity directing on cruise ships, but they always make the job sound nice, but then any job, I always look up what people who've done that job in the past, say about it and I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this guy was the first to admit that in everyone who worked on a ship also like we're being interviewed in this thing and they like there was another guy who is one of the heads of the ship and he's like yeah, we all just flirt around and you know danced with everyone and

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the guy in question, though, that was dancing with her, he's real weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, his daughter thinks that he knows something that he is responsible in some way for something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's on it and it's an interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the most damaging thing for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a royal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Royal, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the most damaging piece for him, I think, was at one point in time, the daughter says that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her mom, his wife, had found like a little case of all of these pictures of white women from these cruise ships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so her mom, of course, is really upset about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, these girls are just people who I've met on ships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I think what he was doing was stealing their photo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, how you get your photos taken on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you take it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, like, on a roller coaster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he was just going to steal it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we do know that did happen with Amy's photo and of her and her mom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never even thought about creepers doing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm like, I want to collect it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to freakin' photo of me going on a roller coaster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lookin' like crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they went to go collect their photo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and her mom, the picture of her mom, they did, they had to make another copy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The picture of her mom had already been taken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saved their pictures if I think they're pretty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that was the night before she went missing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And another thing that was damaging for him is that right before the brother went to bed, he mentions that Amy had told him that the base player had wanted her to go back out that night with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he had been really flirting with her a lot and all of these things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He should have been fired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are an employee, sir.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You did not recognize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that also two eyewitnesses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: said that they saw them together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The girl in the base player going up to the dance room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was like the dance room would have been close at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been right after the time that the dad saw her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what a tangled web.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we used.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then he comes back down a different direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he just walks right by them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't say anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this would have been shortly before the dad woke up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no, you know, the news can't prove that that you have two people who said they see it and they knew who these two people were because they talked to them, you know, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, ask, pendulum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, on the show, but it's just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At first, but like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what I don't I don't think she jumped at first the first the first thing I thought of it in the first episode was such a job maybe a trip no see I thought that too but the sensors and stuff that if something goes what I was thinking is that you're not a know it now don't cruise ships have care well on the sides

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could have gone over in a room, but you would have had to jump like she would have had to have gotten up off that on that table and jumped over because the center of gravity for the wall in the balconies is pretty high.

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[SPEAKER_02]: six foot plus tall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, those only come up to my way to be very simple.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're really tall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're tall.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They come up to propose to my views.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you're like nine feet tall, they'll be above your center of gravity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no chance that you would just fall in over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that I could think of because she was really drunk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was maybe she was starting to get sick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I could see her, like taking her shoes off and getting up on the table so she can lean over because I don't think she would be able to go inside and wake everybody up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I could just see that and then maybe pass out and then fall over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still just the fact that they never found anything of her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She just be rude because if she was rude and what it went and woke her parents up with her vomit, she might still be alive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have done the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they, but also though, if she would have fallen over that, would mean that the two eyewitnesses would be lying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone would have heard it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, if it weren't me who had fallen over a ship, somebody on the railway down is going to hear me screaming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if she passed out, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I'm thinking, but if she's also really sick, she may not have been screaming too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But so the kicker of the whole thing is though,

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[SPEAKER_03]: If she had fallen overboard like that, there wouldn't been as many sightings of her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But see the whole thing with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can talk myself out of most of those, because I mean, she was the family, what, on Dr. Phil, they were all over the news, all these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as soon as she went missing like that day, the news reported on it, there's this girl Amy missing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it was everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when she went on the news, when she went, I'll start to feel like everyone was watching it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Josh, I don't know if you remember this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember hearing about it back in, I think it was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a long time ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was we were young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Kim, look it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was a long time ago and I remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking it was more recent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they not have, you know, can you know, such large?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in I. Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would have been nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have been eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, or you were in seven, I would have been eight because it was March.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, the thing is, though,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for that is I remember you're welcome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember it because on the news and on Dr. Phil they were shown and it was also on America's most wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw it on the Americans most wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember them sharing it because she had this tattoo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would have been scandalous in the nineties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like on her shoulder and the tattoo was of that devil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what was a coat?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a cartoon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Tasmanian doll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's Tasmanian doll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember that because I watched it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I was watching I had watched it and so I thought oh my gosh, this poor little girl I guess she's not little she's not young, but she's twenty-three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was real small like petite real thin and I just thought oh my god, like she likes that maybe remember it

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[SPEAKER_00]: but you have all these sightings, and you know, when you're watching Dr. Phil, I feel like there's just some people who want to get involved in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as I kept watching it, I started believing at least some of them, like there was one guy in the army who says that he saw her, she was working out like this brothel, and she was there with her in the girl, and he was talking to both of them in the other girl walked away, and this girl, who he said looks like Amy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: said I'm being capped against my will and she said that she was trying to pay off the people forcing her to stay there and when I first watched it I thought do that she's trying to scam you like I've you know you go to a parking lot there's someone who's coming up to you because I need money for something

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I first thought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate stories like that of people being forced to work in broth because I am right here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you are looking for help in your broth, I will wear something skimpy and I love.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am real courteous and hospitable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can make a mean dip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I make a good dip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You do make it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will wait for them to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get all the garbage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just pay, you know, pay me a good dentalish plan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to be in people's faces.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's in my mouth a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't force these people to work in these broth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm right here right here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just saying just saying public service.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are people willing to do the job.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What did you think about the picture?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this military guy, he didn't come forward at that time because he was still in the military.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was stationed on the island and he knew that he would have gotten to a lot of trouble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he never said anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't until he saw it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe in Dr. Phil that he then comes forward in the FBI talk to him in the FBI.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that he was believable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing about the FBI and detectives is like, when they say that they thought you were believable, it's not necessarily that they think that you saw them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that they think that you're telling a true story that you, you saw someone believe that it was this person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or that you're good at lying to a degree that it's believable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What about the lady that's seen her in the bath?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a lady who saw her in a bathroom and there was a really bizarre situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this lady says that she was washing her hands and the girl in the bathroom who was forced to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were two men who brought her in and were waiting outside the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she was being forced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this lady that's American tourists started talking to her while she was washing her hands and she's like, So where are you from in this girl says what she thought was West Virginia?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now she realizes that was probably just Virginia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, so she thought that she heard like West Virginia or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And later when she saw the thing on Dr. Phil, she realized like, oh, she didn't say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said this, but it sounded like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the lady said her name was Amy and she remembered it because her daughter's name was Amy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she told her, oh, my daughter's name is Amy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she remembered that and she swears up and down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was this girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is what she looked like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was her and that she was being forced to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I think that the lady was telling the truth and that there was that situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's impossible to know if that's her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, just, I mean, from this being my only knowledge on it, I think it's a mate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That yeah base player why don't know though like at first when I first started thinking that you might not have been the one that actually took her but the one that like

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[SPEAKER_02]: brought her to the people that occur.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he went in on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the second episode, I thought that maybe she did go back out and thought that the party was still going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he used it as an opportunity to like get her up there and then like do some sexual assault work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, how they get these girls is, you know, they get a man who's attractive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, well, so you're drunk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you got an instrument,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a drum, a bass, or can read singing a band, make sure a lot more attractive and your own vacation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to, I mean, just in a band makes you attractive sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they do, you know, they find men like that who can get these girls and then oh, she was with her brother or anybody and then

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, come back alone later when things aren't, well, private time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's when they get taken.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gotta hate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at first, I thought, like when I first started thinking that, okay, she probably didn't just jump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It probably was a sky who has something to do with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, well, you know, I could see her getting back up to that thing with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this would make the eyewitnesses statements true and everything that they start, you know, flirting around a little bit and then it gets a little too far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think that she was a lot to be in as she would date a girls.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the nineties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think that maybe things started getting a little bit further and she probably realized that she didn't want to do that and then I thought well, maybe then he just ended up killing her and just throwing her overboard or putting her in a suitcase like a carry on bag or you know a wheel bag because she was small so she could squeeze her into it and then when they ported just wheeling her off but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, see, this is what really confuses me because if they forced her off the ship, they would have had to have drugged her, I think, because I don't think she would have been coherent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how they do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They just come in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless I mean, you have a lot of employees who are on board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because like when you get off the ship, you have to go to a certain part of the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only one door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And two people will be working right there scanning your past to get off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of employees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sadly, especially back then, now I'm sure it's more secure, but I'm sure a lot of people, drugs and other paraphernalia were smuggled in on those cruise ships, because you know they're going all these ports.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me stock up on a little cocaine here, and then I'll put an underage bride here on Mr. Epstein's Island out here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good Lord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, you know, people do get traffic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now I do lean more towards that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think one of the really interesting things was that they had shared that they had a website built for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And on this website they started putting pictures of the family on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of like oh and they realized that the reason they were doing is because they had realized that there's someone on that island who keeps visiting the website and specifically visiting a lot because they can track your IP address so no same person but they kept visiting the website like on birthdays and anniversaries of not just hers but family members

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they were like, we feel like it could be her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unless it was the someone responsible for killing her maybe and they were able to find out what those things were and they were just reliving it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it was the nineties and early teeth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was very hot, not everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, online then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the website didn't come out too much later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was more of a recent thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, there's just a lot of, I need to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If it gets to the picture, if it's between the two, her falling off or being traffic, I hope to God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She fell off passed out for a night quickly because that's the lesser of those two evil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the real kicker, which is what threw me off in the first place that I had to go rewatch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there someone emails the family this picture of this girl clearly being trafficked?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the picture looks like it could be an older Amy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the FBI did their whole analization where they compare everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said, yeah, this image is Amy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now when I first watched, I was like, I don't know, that picture is so blurry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, I think it looks exactly like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and you know, it wasn't entire Washington for the third time that I noticed some features of her that was in the photo.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Her lip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it wasn't that that really got me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not realize, and I'm surprised they did not mention this, but she has like a slight, lazy eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed that in the picture and there's no adding that in like that small feature.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and they said that they were doing the chain lines in there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they said that there's certain places on your face that you can measure and those measurements never change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were several pictures of this girl.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that picture.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it was the same measurements thing and they said it was her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they had a few pictures of this lady that they thought was Amy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's in different positions, but what they noticed is that the positions that she is being put into are intentionally not showing her tattoo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oddly, because like you have to get into a weird position to not show that part, you know, it's very clear that she's pretty drugged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's drugged out in traffic for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So an estimated twenty seven point six million people were victims of horse labor in twenty twenty one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The twenty twenty three report estimates that forty nine point six million people are living in modern slavery including

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[SPEAKER_02]: forced labor and forced marriage with twenty-seven million and forced labor alone, and some sources suggest six hundred thousand to eight hundred thousand people are trafficked across boarder's worldwide every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In your ships, I would never run a cruise ship alone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just you just have to be real careful because actually in one of this is my privilege as a male, but as a woman never never for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I I'd afraid as a man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I couldn't imagine as a female alone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, not that women can take care of themselves, but they're, they're just evil men in this world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When we went, when we went, when we went on that cruise at no time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you have nothing to worry about?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no one on that ship who could have pushed your ass over that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think on a kill you is maybe the soft service crew.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was only one time that when we were on the ship, I was walking back to the room and it was really late and Dave wasn't with me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that was really the only time that I kind of got a little eerie feeling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was on the top deck.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But there really there was like one or two people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There wasn't anybody there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're out in the middle of the ocean.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you kind of had you get a little bit of a strange feeling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the only time that I ever had a weird feeling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I do when I'm in a situation where like I'm alone and start to feel a little creeped out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I pass gas.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You can make yourself do that on command.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Always pack and hunt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's always pack and he bought parking ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just clenched twenty four seven but wait.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why don't scare me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't scare me now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get something on you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean imagine you're walking through a dark stairwell, you know at night or a car park and you get a little nervous feel like you're being watched past little guys That's true a lot of times I'll get go over like and if you're being followed they'll probably laugh too and then you know you're being followed Yeah, which I mean it would be a creepy over here like a laugh ten feet behind you and you're like Hey, I see you back there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh shit

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true because if someone's looking at Josh and they're like, oh, look at that pretty boy and he got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh my god, that smells like pure butthole.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, self defense, self defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just go so many different ways.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like she's still out there somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably leave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a long time to be traffic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and so the one of the girls that saw her in the bathroom, she said the Amy was talking to the guys who was forcing her to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she had promised them, they shall be good if she can go see the children.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so they think she might.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm wondering if there are, I mean, and that would force her to, you know, stay there and be quiet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably like someone's forced labor or forced marriage bride somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you're one of the relationships with the kids.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what they do, you know, you have kids now now you're trapped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel the only way that if she's not here anymore is that she odied.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they had her on drugs so much that she'd be there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just still there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's sad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You should not tonight because that sounds like a room down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Down there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was sitting there watching.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what I was doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was working on it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was probably crocheting or something when I was watching it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it got to the part where they were showing that picture.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, oh my god, that is her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is so her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: See, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: actively watch stuff that'll make me sad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's enough sad in real life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're one like watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm like, I've watched K-pop demon hunters twice because it's cute and sweet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now see, that's why I don't watch scary stuff because I feel like life is scary.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't like do scary stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People are like, I like when it makes me jump on life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do know that I never, I was always one of those people that never really, which I still don't pay a whole lot of attention to my surroundings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How would I know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it depends.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if I'm with a bunch of people, no, I don't really pay any attention.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if it's just me, I've been in the Shukai World way too long because Shane, you know, listening to the podcast and all of the other stuff, if I'm alone,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little bit more aware of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when you travel with me in shame, you literally have to watch towers on either side of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like a big audience like why you think that's the only time I go with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you probably feel the safest in your life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, nobody's been with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, see, the thing is, is when I first watched, I think there were one of the reasons that I got mixed up, and I want you guys to see opinion on this, and I know that Josh, you've never been on a cruise, but maybe you can just put your mind on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, one of the reasons why I thought that she fell or jumped was because her shoes were left on the balcony, and her wallet was still in the room with cash in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because they she wouldn't have been using a lot of cards or anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the ocean don't take credit or debit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, but no, you would use it like if we're going to the restaurants or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, you know, you know, she didn't have her card key to get back to the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been in her wallet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ninety percent of the people that are on those cruises, they don't use the wallets or cash, because the majority of the stuff on there, it comes with the cruise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Number one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Number two, I don't know that I really wore shoes much on that ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you barefoot?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't get a phone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I thought, too, because it's hard for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're on carpet, and I'm worried, and I always wore shoes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were shoes to eat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yes, I mean, we would go out and do something like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if I was just going out of the room to run down and get something to drink or run it and do this or run and do that, I didn't put shoes on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have to worry about rocks stepping on shit, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but my thing is is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm more covered with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just do because I've seen Titanic way too many times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I could be in this lifeboat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if she lost the room, she would have left to go back to meet people or going to the party thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I just don't know if she would have weren't shoes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm so sure about that either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because as she was drunk, I know when we went on the cruise, I went with our buddy Dave, and there were a few times that he was asleep, and I needed to go to the bathroom, and I didn't want to wake him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there was a bathroom right across from where our state room was at.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just went to the bathroom, but that doesn't mean that she did because she didn't have shoes on because if I wanted the bathroom, I wouldn't have shoes back on the room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I'm leaving the room to go possibly have quites with a person, I'm gonna look nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would put my shoes back on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this from my single perspective of a sexually active person, I'll tell you about it that later can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thanks a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, if I leave the room, any chance I leave the room, that's a chance to meet a man to, you know, have fun with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would put my shoes on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think for me, I don't know that she would have got done that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was the lesbian.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she was young.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we used some people who didn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did they're toe in the water before they can jump off?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I can't relate because there's no time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would ever be drunk enough to think and you don't have to go have sex with that man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you also don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but also you don't know she may have been talking to a woman and nobody noticed because it was a she women talk right no but see that I have a thing is she didn't have a cell phone it's not like she's just getting a text message okay I'm ready this is back we'd have to go there and no one called the room

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just wasn't hey when the desert is dry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's only so much water and maybe they want no cute lesbian on that ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she was little some people when they get drunk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have to have it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I need it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now I do think everybody has fingers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that the cruise line was wrong to let the people off the ship before they used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it should be like that should be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And another thing that really pushed me the wrong way was that the employee was saying, yeah, when when we do the searches, we are searching all rooms, all closets, and then all the employees are searching their own rooms.

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[SPEAKER_03]: you should never search your own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought hell would you ever have someone search their own room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly not a room, you know, ninety percent of the employees aren't taking it seriously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something else I have to do in my busy day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I'll be your asshole.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would be surprised if they would crack in the door.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do anybody hear it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate like, you know, they're not doing it through a little as if it were done by a policeman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they search and the reason is is because the family was sent back to their room and then they said that they were going to start searching soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they can family is back to the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They never came into the room to search their room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: True.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have people searching rooms, the family said they never heard anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd hear not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be hearing doors opening and swinging, because not everyone gets off a ship at the dark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, most people probably do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't leave all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did like most cruise ship workers, a priori, young in their twenties at me in my twenties.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have been checking it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You want me to go in every single one of these, bring how many rooms that is in the closet?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm being knocked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nope, nobody in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you wouldn't, like, if you're just a random employee, you would have known what room the family was in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you would have been going ahead and search and show up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of wondering if they are you and me?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They could have had her on the bed with the gun inside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know who that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I don't think they searched anything to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is true all the employees that they interviewed said, yeah, we all thought that she just jumped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just thought she just jumped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think they searched anything.

38:52.834 --> 39:06.424
[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't sad that cases get so far pushed in the cold case files that it takes something like a documentary on a screen on service decades later for it to get public attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like for a cold cases.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you see that John Ramsey is going to be crime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was like a given.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not at all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I have a little, uh, there's some cute men going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I keep seeing them pose like this man's going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like screenshot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you saw, but when we drive from Es just park to Denver, we have to drive right through.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're not in the mystery machine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we won't be as.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in a cyber.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I can't wait for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The last time we were there, we were in the Silverado.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm really excited about some older super nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe I could love that for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think, well, I mean, we're going to be that close anyway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We should show Josh the flat iron.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what it's called?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what Rich, Nikolman does, but he's a cutie pie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kim, what's your theory, though, on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you thinking about that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel that she was abducted too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that the base player has a monitor with that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably think I have a monitor with that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of with Josh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll think he's the one that actually took her, but I think that he was the one that warmed up to her to get her to trust him to take her somewhere to somebody else to take her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think in my opinion, why I'm leaning towards right now is that he probably told her when they were dancing and stuff like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we're going to go hang out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once you come with us, meet us here at this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that's probably what she does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why I carry a knife and my sock when I go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think he did it alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would have been a bit of a few other people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think he could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that they've prioritized drug dirt figured out how to get off with making sure that she would stay, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a man who was on the beach at that time when the ship was docked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says that he saw her with three men and they were like holding on to her, walking her along the beach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she looked really scared and like she needed help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the guy, there's a guy that was with her that he was describing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yeah, that's guy gave me a drill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like this isn't on your business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, so I wasn't paying attention, you know, and at some point when he came forward and spoke to the FBI, they took a picture of the base player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh, yeah, that's the guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's definitely the guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, even if they were to find him, there's no way to, well, he wouldn't know where he's at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what, like he wouldn't know where she's at by now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They actually interviewed his daughter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they interview her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he, she calls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She calls him and asks him questions as their tape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was so sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was calling me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like, but, but dad, like, don't you think that it was weird that you had all those pictures of white women from the cruise ships?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, but which one of them was Amy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, we didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You tell me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Better that's a thing is like, who just steals their photos?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's definitely a creeper nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the same as the people taking pictures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, look at that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if he took them took the picture to take to the person that was going to abduct them and say, do you want this one?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is this one good?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and well, you know, that's a good point because if you think about it, if you're going to sex traffic someone, you want a picture of them at their finest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they could have been taken.

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[SPEAKER_02]: unravel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Every detail in their sex trafficking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That has to be why he took the photo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's probably why he had so many of these white women's photos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the first one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now she's somebody's in somebody's harem as a wife and a mother in a forced and we're all of the pictures that he had though from the cruise or was it like, do you remember?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the mom and for cruises.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he says that they are just women from the cruises that he's met, but they did not specify on if if that was the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they were pictures like it at a bar, you know, so it could have just it could have been other women that that were being traffic that he just had pictures off to show other men before they buy onto it or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It could have been people that were on the cruises, but we're, no, that wouldn't make me sense either way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I could be, I mean, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could have been that he's stealing the photos, getting approval.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this one what we're looking for?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then takes them in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But as the devil is a devil's advocate, why would that only happen one time, though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like one person get abducted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing is I think is that sometimes people who go on cruise ships are not like they don't always have a lot of family and stuff like there are single people who go on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the nine, you know, everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That could definitely be on a trail.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He could have been watching the women that were there alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, when he was dancing with her, I don't think that that family already laughed for period of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he may not have thought that she was with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, it's not unheard of for people on cruise ships to depart at a certain point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, you can get on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you know, oh, I'm just going to, you know, I have other plans with a separate vacate, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a lot of them will live on the island.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they'll get off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's a common for, we poured it and now there's not as many people or there's new people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Except, you know, there's just so many, that's why it was such a good thing for those traffickers because there's just so many opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My God, I have good ideas every now and then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just asked Pendulum if we were right about this and it said yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So thank we just solved this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This happened in my tin ninety eight and took us what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Forty six minutes and thirty two seconds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Was this your mystery?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'll have to send it from later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just wanted to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I didn't think that you guys would have seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I was just mentioning it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want you to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to watch it again with the concept that he had stolen her photo.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not going to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in the photo, she was all dressed up because it was like a flying mirror.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was one of the fancy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was all dressed up nice and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: See, I just

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[SPEAKER_02]: have organically no so much about human sex trafficking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just a sex trafficker and your previous life maybe a victim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just I've seen so many things and have read so many things and have just learned so much about it and it is it's modern day slavery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is just I think one of the worst things that could happen anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it always, it a large portion of people who are sex trafficked are LGBTQIA+.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's not, you know, even for her being a lesbian, that's not unheard of, mainly because we make up a large portion of the amount of

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[SPEAKER_02]: young runaways and homeless in this country just you know you a lot of us come out and then they get kicked out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They become homeless and an instant target for people like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I seriously thought was your mystery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll get into my mystery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I do think that photo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to rewatch it to get more detail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's also weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'll just talk about that one on the last.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me write it down so I don't forget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to write stuff down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm definitely going to forget it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I hope you like my mystery that I planned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Josh, watch it and then get back with us on my phone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard some good things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't I tell you a thing about it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't I hit, had my told told you that you guys needed to watch it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You might have, but you normally talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: About what you

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why I even text you, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why was your working action?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I read on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You do?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's a nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really respond.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Respondia.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, a lot of times you guys go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you know exactly when I start work because I'll go all day with no text and then I'll clock in and within two minutes of clocking in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're going with the work as I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, let it out listen to my audio book.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll read it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I said that late.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What I know that, you know, you'll eventually read them in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I respond.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's the same way when you guys talk in the mornings and I'm, I'm at work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That only taught me to once on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes one of you ask a question and then you'll have a whole conversation before I respond and have some of the questions and it's all ready.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, I don't need to respond to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That conversation is dead and over with.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do our love our conversation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes we have the best conversations.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I like it too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have our receipts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if, you know, like if there's a date or something, I'm like, oh, wait, when was that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I tend to rare for it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I go back and look at stuff too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I like it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll probably use this at a later time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright guys, when we were catch you over on unmasked, we hope that you enjoyed this episode that I planned so far.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it called?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Amy is missing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Amy is missing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out watching tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're listening, you should watch it, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they should.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can come join us on our unmasked on Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be talking about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She has a T that we have waiting days for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've been waiting like a week for two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When he does that to us, I like immediately block it out of my head.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He does it on purpose because he knows it pisses me off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know how much I love the tea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like act like I didn't even see the text message until he brings it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's sad because him and I will both forget.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it will be two months later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this person said like we are all three the same people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We all do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, what we're catching on in mass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget to follow Josh and I on Facebook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a cool Facebook group called Shane and Josh's rabbit hole.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Come play it our hope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, please do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And our website is it's mystery ink.com.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got all the stuff for you to look at there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's being revamped right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you never know what we're going to throw up there to get a good laugh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot to tell you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember if he sent it to me personally or if he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Whoever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember if he sent me a message over the last time when I was talking about my neighbors.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he either put it in Patreon or he sent me a message that said it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He needed to give me their address like incident of a bag of dig.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was laughing just because they're not gummy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They'll melt in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and don't forget that you can mail stuff to us at PO Box, six nine zero, wall bash into Anna, four six nine nine two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Please send us a mail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were opening it up here on air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We like postcards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got walls of postcards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd love to get one from you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not just on a normal town postcard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going on a trip, going on a cruise, send us a postcard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you or someone you know owns a brothel and it's looking for help, don't force people to work there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got some nice tidd-o biggies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I keep them in the closet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm willing to do the job at what it takes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, we'll work at you on unmasked and yeah, we're gonna be having a little fun to come join us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Talk at you later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.